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Spondolythesis

Started by realtorsharon on 01/31/2012 4:02pm

I was told by a nurologist over 20 years ago that I had Spondolythesis. I have handled the pain all this time on my own. Now the pain is in my right leg- making it hard to even walk. I would like to know what to do to deal with this - NO surgery.

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i also had to deal with it since i was 23 to the age of 40.
i didn't know i had it till 2008.
it all peaked in the last year and a half.
i went threw pain pills. shots. phisical theripy.
nothing worked.
you have to fix what is broken.
when the time comes you will know when you had enough.
not all surgery stories are bad.
some do work.
wish i had better advice.
ill pray for you.
ray.

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YIKES- so nothing helped you?? I refuse to take pain meds and when I take Naproxin I get stomach ulcers. I don't want surgery so I guess I will just deal with it until I can no longer do so.
Did chiropractic or message therapy help you any??

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Also, Ray- what surgery did you have done and did it fix the problem??

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chiropractic or message therapy didn't help at all.
it made it hurt more.
Spondolythesis is a break of the vertaba that causes the vertabra to float.
in short a broken back.
i was a grade 2 of Spondolythesis of the L5 S1
this means it was 50% or half way out of place.
there are 4 grades.
yes i had the surgery.
and yes it did help and i would do it all over if i had to.
i had no more choices i could make to kill the pain.
the important things is how much pain can you take.
depending on what grade you are and not in allot of pain then at least try pain treatments from a pain clinic.
even if you were thinking about surgery.
you have to go threw the steps even before they will do it.
get a MRI done to see how bad it is.
if you are haveing problems peeing or pooping.
you realy need to see a surgan.
i got to that point and it could cause permanat nerve damage.
i got lucky.
but i had my L5 fused to my pelvis and they had to stable my L4 to the L5.
so two rods and six screws.
my back was more of a mess when they got in it.
he was only going to do just the fussion.
but he locked it all in with the L4 because he said i would be back in in a years time.
my advice is to find out all you can about your Spondolythesis.
what grade you are.
go to youtube and look at videos about Spondolythesis and the surgeries.
start with the family doctor.
then pain clinic.
then surgan.
this is the path you will end up takeing.
my surgery was a 100% sucsess.
i am very happy i got it done.
but it comes down to you.
what is best for you.
hope this advice helps.
ray

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i had the surgery last september 6th.
i'm starting my sixth month after surgery.
doctor will let me go back at the end of march.
reason is i started yoga and he wants me to strenthen my back and stomach some more.
all thoe i don't have a job to go back to.
i can at least start looking.
there is allot to consider here.
if you have surgery.
most people stand a good chance at a normal life.
but it isn't perfect.
there will be hospital bills out the butt.
down time meaning you wont be able to do anything for the doration of your healing time.
set set set is all you'll do.
there is allot to look at.
i'll be praying for you.
ray.

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What grade spondy do you have? Also is it active or not? If it is active, you will have it move why you are bending ( you can find out via x-ray). If you do not have active spondy, I would say try pt, accupunture( helped me a lot) also injection do wonders for my leg pain and leg numbness( I have shooting pain down my left leg and shooting numbness down my right). Also get your core as strong as possible.

If it is active surgery is your best option. I have grade 3/4 and dealing with pain. I get injections and it gets rid of my pain.

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Thanks Ray- i am going to take your advise- just pray we have some good doctors in my area. I am just at a loss of who to go to for help so I guess I will start with my family doctor- hopefully she can help?!
I have been home cleaning house/garage all week-end and my back and right let hurts so bad that I can barely walk- i'm SO tired of not being able to lead a normal life.
Glad the surgery worked for you. Do you have any pain at all now?
I will keep you posted- not saying I'll ever get brave enough to have surgery but going to go for some help!!

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Muscles are still a little sore but no pain.
I can remember bending over to pick up a sock when it all started.
Felt like someone stabbed me in the lower back.
I couldn't stand up. Even in anger at that moment I couldn't stand.
Keep this in mind.
My family doctor told me to do the exercise to strengthen my core.
I did them day an night for 4 years.
When I went to him and I siad I no longer can stand the pain.
He told me to go home and do my exercises.
I looked at him and I said. John pretend I own a garage.
You pulled in with a flat tire.
I show you the hole in your tire.
I look at it an say!!!!!
I'll put air in it and you drive around and will see if it stops leaking air.
His mouth just dropped.
I siad the bone in my back is broke.
It needs surgically repaired.
Exercises won't fix this.
Remember it's your body.
Only you know what will or won't help.
If I was told I had this at 23 years of age like my doctor should have.
I would have gotten it fixed then.
But yes start with your family doctor.
It's a very good start.
If there is anything I can do to help.
Let me know.
Ray.

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P.S. no heavy lifting.
Put ice packs on your lower back till you can't feel it.
This will help with the leg pain.
Worked well for me.
Ray

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I have no idea what grade- all I know if over 20 years ago a nurologist told me I had it and back then I just had back pain. He took x-rays to find that out. I have never had a MRI. Do you have to have a MRI to see what grade or if it is active or not??
I have never taken any pain meds for it- don't believe in them. I did take high doses of Naporoxin way back when but it gave me stomach ulcers so I stopped that. For the past 2 years I have been experiencing right leg pain. I understand a strong core but how do you do that when it hurts to exercise??

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well the thing of it is.
yes a strong core.
but while your exercising you have two peaces of vertabra moving in your back.
as they move they pinch nerves and then the pain comes.
xrays over time can show if its actively moving.
a MRI will show more detail like spinal cord and nerves.
best to start with the family doc.
hope you feel better.
ray.

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I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU IN SOME WAY>>>>well for the past few days i have been looking threw allot of peoples pages on here.
so many questions.i can realy only talk about my disabillity.And what i went threw as well as what i had done to make the quality of life for myself better.when i started back in 2008 with very bad pain in my lower back.i never would have thought i would be at this point in my life.i was told i had spondylolisthesis of my L5/S1.i had no idea what the doctor was talking about. so i went strate to my family doctor to find out what this was. turns out he knew i had it since i was 23. even after he explained it to me i still didn't know what he was saying. i needed to see it. so i got home and went on line. this was the first site i came to. i looked at the videos. as many xrays as i could find. i went to youtube as well. also found many good videos on this disability. so i went back to my doctor and demanded pain treatment. as always the soma he gave wasn't working. so after new xrays at the beginning of 2011 i went and demanded pain meds from the family doc. he said he would have to refer me to a pain clinic. so i found people in person that had back pain and other issues. they told me to get as much history on my lower back. i went to every hospital and gathered all the paper work as well as all my xrays on a disc. this is important people. get all xrays and MRI on a disc before you leave. so i got to see the pain clinic doctor. gave my full history of back pain and all the meds i ever took for it. then this also is important. i asked the doctor for options on pain treatment as well as for me final option surgery. i knew the only way i would get close to living a normal life as i could was to repair the break. at this time i was not able to do every day things. i spent allot of time in bed.
so after being given pain pills and antiflamatories things started to look up. like all medication over time your body gets use to it. and the pain comes back. so he upped the meds and added new ones. so finaly it started to work. i was back to a active life. my pain doctor then helped me with the means to begin to pay for all this. he got me papers from the local hospital that provided lower income people with what is called charity care. because the local hospital was linked to all that i would need. it payed for 99.8% of all my bills. i'm told all hospitals have this. mean while my pain doctor set me up with a day to see the surgan. also i'm portant . i made a list of questions for him to answer. keep in mind i already seen this mans work and i knew he was good. research people it is very important. i asked all the questions everyone would ask. note what perscent come out worste then when they went in. 2% he siad. as he explained i do like about 100 of these serguries a year. and out of that year 2% still have pain. and he explained reasons for this. also should i get the hardware removed after. he explained you will have to endor the same down time and you also will be at high risk of infection. but yes i can if you wish. but its better to leave it in because it will help keep everything stable and strong. so after a long talk with him. we set a date for the surgery and he gave me a brace because i couldn't afford one at the time. you have to trust your doctor! so moveing on i went into this knowing almost as much as a doctor would about all of this. this is why i tell every one find out as much as you can about your disability. so i ended up being told from my surgan i had purtruding disc of the L1 and L2 also disc dateriation of the L2 and L3 and L4 and L5 with spondylolisthesis of my L5/S1 with arthritis. i had all the problems like most people did. i had severe lower back pain, sciatica pain, problems with urinating and bowl movements. shocking legs and feet on fire.so now the day of surgery. it normauly takes between two to three hours for this surgery. mine took three and a half. he found that he couldn't just do the L5 fusion. because the L4 would be very unstable. so after permission from a family member he stableized my L4 to my L5 wich was fused to my pelvis. so a total of six screws and to rods that were about 4 and a half inches long to fix me right. why do they use titanium for this and not stainless steel. stainless steel in its self is stronger then titanium because it can give a little. titianium is a brittal metal. but they can not xray or do a MRI on stainless steal because it makes the picture fuzzy.as i siad again RESEACH....so i came to in the hospital after the surgery was over . no i did not have severe pain. only pain i had was the incision. it should have been a cut of about two and a half inches but do to my back being so bad and he had to stable the L4 i was cut about eight inches open. keep in mind if its just a L5 fusion you will have a very small cut. i was up and walking on my own a hour after the surgery. make sure you ask for a enema because you do not want bowned up from all the medication in your system. day two i was walking the halls and did my test of walking up and down of 15 steps. i was able to leave the hospital on day three. now three days after i was home i stopped all meds because i was so pist because it caused me to become compackted. do not do this...i went threw a week and a half of with draws. after i was clean of all medications i found that i didn't need all of the pain pills. remember do not stop your meds until you talk to your doctor. i didn't and just after haveing surgery i went threw withdraws. not a good idea. ok the fun part six months of doing nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! after your home you have to wear a brace for one month. if all is good it comes off. if not two months. no lifting. this is the law after this surgery.after about two months have past if your up to it you can drive. note short trips you will get very sore. three and the fourth month you will do alot of exercises to help stenthen the muscles in your back that have been weak all these years. you will be sore and back muscles will be tight. this will go away as time goes on. sixth month i only have very little tightness of the lower back muscles. this to will go away in time. yes i can feel the hardware under my skin. it takes time to get used to. soon you don't pay it that much mind.its like its not there. because mine was so severe i have to take meds for nerve damage. this helps allot with sciatiac troubles as well as spazems. i take two medicans a day. i feel wonderful now. NO MORE PAIN. keep in mind my life now has to change. no more hard labor jobs.you will need all the help from anyone you can get if you are going to do this. money is a big problem. haveing a partner to help you is a good thing. i hope this helps people understand what you have to do as well as i window of what you will go threw. there is allot more i wanted to add but this will help guide you in the right direction. thank you everyone for your help. and god bless you all as i will pray for you all in pain.
ray.

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does spondolythesis lead to paralysis?

-john

http://free.backpainsupport.org

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John
With spondylolsis they tell you to strengthen your core.
In short were your vertabra are to hold the load an to keep your back strate.
Now you have to rely on your muscles to do the job.
But after my surgery I had some stight paralysis of my lower back muscles.
But with exercises and if you choose phisical theripy after your surgery.
This will strengthen the muscles for one good reason.
They have to cut the muscle from the bone the remove a section in a PTILF surgery.
I don't have any problems since my operation.
Had some sorness of my lower back muscles after the surgery.
But with the exercises he gave me an yoga it's a thing of the past.
I hope this helped.
God bless you.
Ray.

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thanks for the info Ray. i'll keep that in mind.

:)

-john

http://free.backpainsupport.org

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I just scheduled my spinal fusion surgery and am quite terrified to go through this. I have been getting epidurals for the past two years and they work for about a month. I feel great, no pain for that time. When they wear off I am miserable. I am really not functional. I do not sleep well, cannot move much- I have gained 30 punds in the past few years because I can't exercise or even walk without pain. My house is a mess when I used to keep a clean house. I hate living with this pain. I have turned into a depressed old woman at the age of 42! I still have so many things I want to do in my life and I can no longer live in pain everyday. However, this is a huge surgery. I have no idea how I will possibly be able to get through 6 months to a year of recovery. I am a single mom of three teenagers. How soon will I be able to drive or clean my house after surgery? I am a teacher and need to go back to work in the fall. What if I am not able to work? People talk about strengthening the core, but I can't do any exercise without causing a spasm in my back. I went for a 30 minute walk a week ago and was in the er the next day with a spasm. They gave me a shot that helped for a day or so. Can someone tell me exactly what the recovery process will be like. How much pain will I have? How soon will I be able to drive? I don't take narcotics at all and do not want to have to take addictive pain pills. Is there anything non addictive to take for pain? How do I know my doctor is good? He is Yale and Cornell trained, and have spoken to one person who had a successful surgery with him, but hers was an easier procedure. Oh so many questions. I am crying right now just thinking about this. I AM SO SCARED. ANY ADVICE AND ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS WILL BE SO APPRECIATED.

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Kris M
I posted just above this about spondy an fusions.
Look alittle up on the page. If not I put on cummunity advice.
Cummunity advice is on the home page here.
Look for ray weed posting or postings.
Hope this helps.
God bless and I'll pray for you.
Ray.

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hello,
its me ray.
i was wondering how you are doing.
its been a long time.
ray.

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