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accurascope procedure at north american spine institute

From: Don - on 06/10/2010 7:01pm

Has anyone been there and how are they feeling since surgery?

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on 06/11/2010 2:25am

I am not sure if this is the same surgery I had, I have had two back surgeries due to a bulgde disc in the l-4 area. The same surgery two times; They went in with a very small cut and removed the bulgde. I also had it done in Texas. I am not sure if this is the same surgery however if it is I would be more than happy to answer any questions you might have.

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on 06/11/2010 9:55am

Was the surgery done at Forest Park? And how are you feeling? Did the surgery help? Would you say it was as good as the advertising material on their site?

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on 06/11/2010 5:35pm

Hi Don,

I am working hard to find more information about the AccuraScope procedure, but I am not able to find any relevant information (I don't count their website and materials from there, I am waiting for 3rd party studies and publications).

One thing that I find is strange is type of laser energy they use. Its Th:Yag laser, and Google does not have any information about it. Pretty strange.

Regards.

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on 06/12/2010 4:37pm

I too am curious about anyone who has had this surgery at NA Spine. I am also considering Laser Spine Institute and their procedure. If anyone has advice on either, I would appreciate it.

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on 06/14/2010 6:50am

I am approved for the surgery and now they are awaiting insurance. We'll see what happens. I will definitely keep up on this site with the results. I just can't believe that that there is nothing to be found on the web except EVERYTHING THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW (always linked back to their site). I have had such a hard time finding any info from people outside North American Spine. This is just so odd, knowing there is always something out there when you look. It does make me skeptical and doubtful, but due to constant pain and the other option being open back with Harrington Rods, this does seem to be much less invasive and worth trying first. But is it just a way for them to get rich (I have never seen so much advertising!) Do they prey on all people suffering with back pain knowing the patients are usually willing to try anything before open back. If anyone finds anything, please let me know before I have them do these procedures.

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on 06/14/2010 7:02am

And what is your diagnosis?

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on 06/14/2010 9:39pm

The only other option I have found for non-invasive back surgery is at Laser Spine Institute in Florida with surgery centers elsewhere. They do an endoscopic procedure there with 4 mm incision into your back. Like North Amer Spine, very expensive. The problem I'm finding (besides finding anyone I know that has ever heard of someone having either of these procedures) is that LSI has only been around since 2005 and NAS was just formed in 2009. To me that's not enough time to give anyone the chance to see how they have done with the surgery.

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on 06/15/2010 1:56am

Endoscopic spine surgery is present from middle 90-ties, and it has very good success rate for example for herniated discs. The key is in finding a right and experienced surgeon.

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on 06/15/2010 4:56pm

Don, I am trying to find out the same thing about the accurascope procedure at North American Spine Institute. I was also approved for the procedure but would have to come up with $12,500 out of pocket because Blue Cross/Blue Shield has been known not to pay for this procedure. If the Accurascope procedure works, it will be worth every penny. What I am concerned about is that this is a scam to prey on back pain suffers who have received no relief from injections, physical therapy, chiropractors (disc decompression), acupuncture, inversion boards, shoe inserts, other microsurgery procedures etc. Through my research I found the following articles in regards to Dr. Rothstein in Dayton Ohio who came up with this procedure:

http://med.ohio.gov/formala/35057342.pdf
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=161756
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/jury-awards-6m-to-woman-in-medical-lawsuit-359379.html?cxtype=ynews_rss&imw=Y

PLEASE reply as soon as possible if you find out anything about the accurascope procedure and its' reliability! I am not sure if I can post my email address but it is my user name in here @yahoo.com.

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on 06/16/2010 7:56pm

I am having a neurosurgeon from Maine look at my reports. I basically want a 2nd opinion. I also want to see his opinion of NA spine accurascope procedure. This one seems to be the least invasive, but is it? I'll let you know what both of them think I need to have done. Will they agree?

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on 06/19/2010 2:26pm

Don, thank you for replying. Please let me know your findings as soon as possible. If anyone else has any information regarding the Accurascope procedure, please let us know. If you have lived with back pain long enough, you know what it is like to try to find some procedure to help. To me, open back surgery and fusions are not an option considering the low success rate and bad long term outcome.

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on 06/19/2010 3:42pm

That AccuraScope DND just increased my hopes 10 fold! The animation seems amazing and too easy.

Were you able to verify their credentials/success rate(s)?

Please keep us posted, its of immense help.

thanks

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on 06/19/2010 3:59pm

here are 2 users , one with partial luck and the other with none -

http://www.spine-health.com/forum/chronic-pain/scar-tissue-0?page=2#comment-136449

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on 06/19/2010 4:10pm

I have now received my 3rd booklet and DVD. Still waiting for insurance, been 2 weeks. Where can we find patients that have had it done? Do we need to sit at their door and start documenting our own results as patients come out. Call in 6 months, 12 months, etc. If it were closer to me. I would certainly be willing to do it. There are sights now that will make bad publicity go away. They just make sure to out way the bad with good. But I can't find anything GOOD OR BAD! Makes me wonder why.

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on 06/19/2010 4:14pm

Don, did you happen to check the link I sent above? Their feedback wasn't good.

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on 06/22/2010 6:47pm

My wife had surgery done at North American Spine in February. She was in extreme pain after the procedure for about two weeks.She is not back to where she was before the surgery.
As for cost, we were quoted a cost of $17,000. ( prepaid, with a signed contract). Total so far is about $46,000, and counting ( not all procedures have yet to be submitted for some unknown reason). I was told I would be reimbursed a portion of that prepaid $17,000. almost 5 months, and nothing has been paid to me. Very disappointed.

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on 06/22/2010 9:51pm

Trident

Sorry to hear what your wife had to go through. I hope that she soon feels better.

Thanks so much sharing such valuable information. All I have been thinking about this procedure is why is that only these guys have this technique and isn't used anywhere else be it Cleveland, Mayo, JH or any other reputed firm. And why isn't it listed on spine health or spine universe?.

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on 06/28/2010 11:40pm

Good candidate but need $19500 up front. I asked NAS to give people their facebook site and ask them to comment on the site so that people will get first hand info from patients who have had it done. They could log in monthly and give us updates as to how they feel. They would not need to advertise so much, people would do it for them. Free Speech and free advertising. Everyone should ask NAS to do this. Everyone seems to be looking for these answers. Such an easy fix.

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on 06/29/2010 12:11am

Don,

Were you able to find good references?

Thanks,

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on 06/30/2010 7:53am

testamonials of lsi and other lss places say it works
however talk to any doctor and they seem to feel it doesnt
i also have had problems finding the truth
im feel that its good for minor disc problems , but not for verdabrae

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on 07/07/2010 10:47am

The idea of this proceedure is elegant. However, it is apparently done by only this one group, and no peer review exists. There are multiple law suits, some of which were settled or won in court by former patients. Dr Rothstein is an anesthesiologist, as is apparently the rest of the group.

They say that they do not accept Medicare.

Until there is real peer review or an embrace by academic medicine, why take the risk, when more mainstream minimally invasive proceedures are shown on this site?

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on 07/07/2010 10:53am

Here's some articles you might be interested in reading before you consider this procedure.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/doctor-accused-of-lying-to-patients-hiding-assets--795899.html?UrAuth=%60N^NUOcN[UbTTUWUYUYUZTZU\UWUcU\UZU%60UaUcTYWYWZV

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/patient-suffers-a-fate-worse-than-death-after-surgery-795886.html?cxtype=rss_local-news

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on 07/07/2010 11:47am

I have been getting calls from them to come over for the surgery :). I have blocked their number.

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on 07/07/2010 12:59pm

Can someone link to the research showing success rates for a laminectomy? I keep hearing it's around 50% and that is truly scary. Or for other minimally invasive procedures? Everything I read online about anyone is negative, or it's advertising. Surely there is something that works??

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on 07/13/2010 9:53pm

Thanks guys for all the information about accurascope, I was about to go for it, but I decided to wait after reading this thread.
I found the following link that might be interesting, the technique is still new I guess
http://www.anulex.com/anulex_technology/xclose.asp#

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on 07/14/2010 11:47pm

I have been doing searches on everything I can think of and still can't find very much, mostly from Dayton Daily News. Thought of calling 20/20 to see if they could dig up the truth about it. The North Texas Pain Center is where the doctors seem to work out of (Dr. Reed and Dr. Will, in Texas). We wanted to book in Ohio, but they are currently not booking surgeries there (moving I think). We were asked to have our primary order a chest xray, EKG, and bloodwork which I did yesterday. I am awaiting a date. I am just tired of living in pain and am very hopeful that this will work. (Then I get nervous, what if I get drop foot, like a few have told me about, what if I come out of surgery worse). I guess I would be just as nervous if not worse with open back surgery. My pain doctor from Medical Rehab Assoc is currently looking at the folder that was sent to us from North American Spine. He said "There are many new and exciting things being done and many of them have good results". He was very interested in it but had never heard of it. He will watch the video and let us know his opinion. We are also getting a 2nd opinion from a neurosurgeon on 8/2/10. We will also ask him and get his opinion about it. Some people have written that facebook North American Spine deleted their comments. Why not leave these there? Then we could see both sides and better understand what risks are involved and that not everyone has a positive result, even if it is 5%. If 95% is really true, these are very good odds versus open back and Harrington Rods (that's all they can do in Maine). Still confused. Sorry for rambling PS: They told me they have malpractice insurance and admitting privileges.

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on 07/15/2010 1:55pm

My husband had the procedure in Dallas in mid May for herniation at L-3, L-4. Upon entering the spinal canal however they discovered a great deal of scar tissue(more than the laser would handle) and were unable to proceed further up the spine. The decision was made to make a small cut in the back (this was never discussed prior to the surgery as an option) and to reach the disc laterally. My husband woke up with severe pain in his right quad as well as total numbness in the right inside knee. These were totally new complications. The original pain that we sought to correct was all in his left side (hip, back, leg). We were told this was normal and to give it time. Well, almost a full two months later, he still has the severe pain in the right leg and absolutely no relief on the left side. We have sought out a second opinion here locally and he feels that there is most likely significant nerve damage due to either misfiring of the laser or possibly the insertion of the catheter through the middle back. All I can say is "buyer beware".Though everything seemed very professional, my husband would never again allow an anesthesiologist to perform any kind of surgical procedure other than the occasional epidural steroidal injection. Money down the drain for us. Hope this has been helpful.

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on 07/28/2010 9:37pm

Glad I came across this in the NAS complaints. My boyfriend has bulging discs, spinal stenosis and arthritis, had 2 discs fused in 1978 and now having lots of pain. He has been to everyone, disc decompression the works, does not want the back surgery. We saw the info about NAS and thought it was great. He called and was going to schedule w/ Dayton office and they said they were moving to Indiiana,so he was trying to get set up in TX I couldn't understand why they didn't go to Columbus, guess I know now. If anyone hears anything please post.

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on 07/28/2010 10:40pm

Well still in constant pain. I am going for the surgery as I feel it is the least of all evils. I am very nervous about open back Harrington rods. I am just not ready for that as the success rates are not very good. I have been counting down the days. I actually called Dr. Reed's office and asked "Am I picking my own surgery or would Dr. Reed recommend this type of surgery for me if I hadn't seen the advertising?" I replied, I am not the doctor and would expect the doctor to tell me if he really believes that this a good procedure for me or will he do it on all patients that call North American Spine" They said, no they would not do the procedure if they don't feel I would be a good candidate. I am counting down the days and will let everyone know how this goes for me. I have not found much negative about Dr. Reed. I understand it is not 100% but very hopeful that I fall in the 88% category (they told me 60 y.o. and under have 88% success) The nurse I spoke with at Dr. Reed's office said that her grandmother had it done and is doing very well (??? true, I don't really know). I will keep writing on this board as now you know I am not being paid to say any of this, and also realize that I had a hard time finding information and I want to tell everyone everything, whether it be good or bad. People want to hear from real people, not advertisers. But if it is as good as they say, I'll be glad to say that too. We are flying to Texas and will meet Dr. Reed on Monday 8/23/10 for indoctrination, Tues surgery on lumbar, rest on Wed, Wed surgery on cervical, Thurs post op visit. Friday, hopefully walking around like the people on their DVD. We have decided to stay until Tues just in case something doesn't feel right, we could still go see Dr. Reed on Monday and hopefully return home on Tues. I'll keep you posted. 8/2/10 neurosurgeon appt in Maine to get his opinion on this surgery and establish a doctor in case we need him when we return home if things didn't go as proposed. Don't want to hear, go back to Texas and have them fix it?????? Praying that I made correct decision but can still back out at the last minute. 7/28/10 they called about when I will be making payment of $14K and said after the 2nd and told them I was getting 2nd opinion about this procedure.

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on 07/29/2010 12:00am

Don,

I don't understand, the guys in Texas have only been doing the proceedure for a few months and are not spine surgeons, but anesthesiologists who trained under Dr Rothststein in Dayton.

You now know his track record and he had done thousands of cases. Why would they be any better.

This is all about the money.

Check out the minimally invasive people who are university trained. I don't know your condition, but seek out some of the people like the UCLA Spine center Dr Jeff Wang etc. Several give talks available on this site. Wang gives several of the videos defining spinal stenosis etc.

Don't let anyone do surgery that hasn't at least been trained in a university in that field, and have several years of successful practice.

Your frustration is clouding your judgement.

Good luck, be smart.

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