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DISK REPLACEMENT / STENUM HOSPITAL ARE THEY ALL THERE CRACKED UP TOO BE OR JUST GOOD AT MARKETING!! U.S. & AUSTRALIA NEUROSURGEONS REPLIES WELCOME

From: firkilr - on 05/14/2010 4:59pm

Hello all , just wanting some feedback on this place as they SEEM too be the leaders in disk replacement. Mostly interested in them because they seem to be using the newest generation of artificial disk ( spinal kinetics m6) as I live in Australia and they are a little behind in this technology. May as well add a little more my DR. is recommending l4/5 replacement and (l5/s1 fusion as the DR. said this would not restrict very much of my flex/motion) anyone else had this done? Also after reading many bad results from l5/s1 fusion I am thinking I would rather have disk replacement there also (still need to talk more with DR. about this) has anyone had this procedure as well?

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on 05/29/2010 3:17pm

Dear sir,
In some ways, I am in the same position as you. I am 32 and am diagnosed as having degenerative disc disease in my L5-S1 area, as well as having bilateral facet joint disease. I don't really know what this all means. They've also told me I have oestheoarthiritis. I live in Canada and doctors tell me I am not bad enough to do surgery on. I am at the point where I am walking with a walker, but am almost constantly in pain. I know of about 3 people who have had similar problems as I and went to the Stenum Hospital in Germany. All came back with great success! I am in the process of doing the same thing. I have already sent info over about me, and am waiting to hear back. Canada too, is behind in this area. They do more fusions, than replacements. Fusions do not turn out very successfully I'm told. Keep looking into it. I'm going too. Wish you well!
sincerely,
a co-sufferer

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on 05/30/2010 7:37pm

Hi I was curious how long have they been doing disc replacement in Canada? I was told I need a disc replacement surgery of the c-5,going for a second opinion soon and scared to death. Started research and found the first one done in US just done in January of 2007. I am concerned about allergic reactions as well as many other things and have been unable to find any documentation of it happening. I shattered my ankle six years ago and was told I never needed to have the screws ,plates and pins removed but my body rejected them and I had to have an additional surgery to remove them and was out of work for a year as a result. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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on 05/31/2010 6:37pm

Hello cat,
I am from Ontario Canada, and I'm doing some reasearch, and came across the date when the first disc replacement surgery was done. It was preformed on April11 2001, in London Health Sciences Centre, Sometimes known as University Hospital in London, ontario. In was done on a 47 yr. old woman.

I am looking into surgery myself, but don't have enough confidence in Canada yet.
Hope this helps you out a bit.
I went on google and found this out.

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on 06/01/2010 12:12am

Hi, thanks for the reply, sounds like they have been doing this surgery a little longer in Canada now maybe I can find some info on results, i am hearing you can retain much more mobility with a disc replacement not sure how they know that as I live in US and only been doing it here for two years. I am sorry to hear you are having to use a cane and in pain at such a young age, Are spine surgeries alot more advanced in Germany? Best of luck to you

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on 06/01/2010 4:25pm

cat,
Yes they are much more advanced in spine surgeries in Germany. The hospital that I'm thinking of is Stenum Hospital, and is rated to be one of the top hospitals. It specializes only and specifically in orthopeadics. Hope you find something that works for you!

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on 06/15/2010 8:07am

Hi, I have advanced disc degeneration throughout my spine and I have been researching ADR for years, Stenum Hospital and Dr Ritter-LAng appear to be the front runners in disc replacement. I have phone interviewed many from the USA who have traveled there and they speak highly of the experience and the result. I have all information from those people if you want to email me, I can forward it. Also Dr Rudy Bertagnoli is known to be a world reknown back surgeon in Germany operating out of a different hospital and is connected with Pro-Disc. I personally feel the Spinal Kinetics from Stenum might be a better shock absorbing disc.

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on 06/15/2010 12:25pm

I have a long and very positive experience with Dr. Willem Zeegers, Dutch spinal orthopedic surgeon now based and working in Germany.

He was one of the leading surgeons in former famous Alpha Klinim Munchen, and now he operates around the world, mostly in Beta Klinik Bonn. I rate him very highly, he has world wide experience with perfect diagnosis and treatment options. He is an artificial disc replacement specialist since twenty years with more then 1.900 implantations.

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on 07/12/2010 1:49am

Can anyone say what the hospital costs at Stenum are for Americans? I know it would vary quite a bit, but just looking for some idea.

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on 07/13/2010 10:20am

Hello dasher,

If you're looking at disc replacement surgery,(which I am ) they charge 33,000 for 1 disc and 50,000 for 3 discs. Hope this helps you out. I am a canadian, but the price should be similar.
marilyn

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on 07/15/2010 10:17am

Hello everyone, I am looking for your feedback on multilevel disc replacement (2 or 3 discs) with fusion. My husband (age 46) has DDD L2-S1 and has seen 3 surgeons in Southern CA, US, each of whom has recommended multilevel disc replacement as the only treatment option. We were about to move forward in March until our insurance company denied coverage, saying this was no more beneficial than any available standard of care, and is investigational (we understand that part). Faced with a bill that was $150,000 out of pocket, we had to cancel. Can you share what you know about having this procedure done in Germany, and how to go about contacting doctors there? Also, what happens if you need follow-up care once back in the US? Thank you!

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on 07/15/2010 12:58pm

Hi
I will tell you what I know. I am 32 an have degenerative disc disease in my L5-S1 level. I also have bilateral facet joint degenerative disease at my L1, L2-3, and L3-4, levels also. They also noticed that canal stenosis or neural formen narrowing is evident. I also have mild osteoartharitis of both sacroiliac joints.. I was told there was nothing they could do for me, that I wasn't bad enough, and that I was too you for surgery, or even to be sent to a spine clinic. I now walk with a walker, and am not able to walk 2 minutes with out it without pain. I am on painkiller daily, but it doesn't seem to do much. Enough about me!!
I am looking into artificial disc replacement surgery, at Stenum Hospital in Germany. I personally know of 5 people who have this same surgery , or something similar at this same hospital , and all had exellent results.
I emailed them and they emailed me back and basically told me they think they can help me out .
I was assigned a case worker, given her cell number and she has mine, and we correspond back and forth. I was sent forms to fill out. and was asked to have an x-ray and an MRI. My MRI is booked for the end of this month. In Aug. the surgeons are going to be in winnipeg. My case worker is to get back to me about the specific date, but then I am to fly out their and meet them. They do this every now and then, that way they can see their patients and access then up front in person and the process just goes a little quicker. I would still have my surgery in Germany.

As for the cost, I know one disc costs about 33,000 and 3 discs cost 50,000. The 50,0000 includes your stay and the accomadation of 1 companion. They have a motel/rehabilitation centre near the hospital. They take care of shuttling you back and forth from the airport to the hospital. Those are just some of the perks. I thought there price was quite reasonable compared with others I checked out ..Here are 2 email address I would check out.

www.stenumhospital.com
www.orthopaedie-stenum.de

Phone# +49 (0) 422371335
fax# +49 (0) 422371349

Address is:
Stenum Hospital
International Dept.
att. Malte Petersen
Heilstaettenweg 1
Ganderkesse/Stenum,
Germany 27777

Hope this helps you. It did me! I'm hoping to have surgery this year yet. I hope things move quickly for you. one little tip is to have your tests sent in as urgent , and to have them all done before sending all your paperwork in. Best of luck. Marilyn

ps, forgot to mention I am a canadian and those were canadian prices.

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on 07/15/2010 1:38pm

When considering such a big surgery, be sure to listen for more opinions from leading doctors in field of ADR. For example Dr. Bertagnoli, Dr. Zeegers, etc. All from abroad (working in Germany).

Regards.

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on 03/06/2011 9:50pm

MY WIFE HAD 2 SUCCESSFULL BACK SURGERIES 7 months ago NO PAIN

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on 07/31/2011 8:25pm

Please visit artificial disc replacement dot com for more current information on the Spinal Kinetics M6 surgeries.

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on 03/03/2012 6:31pm

I am from Alberta, Canada and have been dealing with severe chronic low back pain for over 2 years. I am only 27 years old and have been getting the run around this whole time being told that it was mechanical and to take pills and stretch it out. I was finally sent for an MRI in November because I physically could not take it anymore. The MRI showed a severely herniated L5/S1 with bad degeneration and a badly degenerated L4/L5 with a large bulge. After that they still made me try physio again and wound up in the emergency room and getting a Microdiscectomy on November 30. But they still did not listen about the severe back pain and now I am over 3 months out of surgery and 4 weeks into physio again and my back hurts twice as bad and still lots of radiating leg pain. I have spent days researching and find that ADR is the best solution for me but cannot get taken seriously here. I am looking into going to Bogen Germany to see Dr.Bertagnoli for multiple level ADR. Like anyone I am nervous about going there and wondering if anyone has gone there or somewhere similar to get this done?

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on 03/03/2012 6:32pm

I am from Alberta, Canada and have been dealing with severe chronic low back pain for over 2 years. I am only 27 years old and have been getting the run around this whole time being told that it was mechanical and to take pills and stretch it out. I was finally sent for an MRI in November because I physically could not take it anymore. The MRI showed a severely herniated L5/S1 with bad degeneration and a badly degenerated L4/L5 with a large bulge. After that they still made me try physio again and wound up in the emergency room and getting a Microdiscectomy on November 30. But they still did not listen about the severe back pain and now I am over 3 months out of surgery and 4 weeks into physio again and my back hurts twice as bad and still lots of radiating leg pain. I have spent days researching and find that ADR is the best solution for me but cannot get taken seriously here. I am looking into going to Bogen Germany to see Dr.Bertagnoli for multiple level ADR. Like anyone I am nervous about going there and wondering if anyone has gone there or somewhere similar to get this done?

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on 03/03/2012 6:32pm

I am from Alberta, Canada and have been dealing with severe chronic low back pain for over 2 years. I am only 27 years old and have been getting the run around this whole time being told that it was mechanical and to take pills and stretch it out. I was finally sent for an MRI in November because I physically could not take it anymore. The MRI showed a severely herniated L5/S1 with bad degeneration and a badly degenerated L4/L5 with a large bulge. After that they still made me try physio again and wound up in the emergency room and getting a Microdiscectomy on November 30. But they still did not listen about the severe back pain and now I am over 3 months out of surgery and 4 weeks into physio again and my back hurts twice as bad and still lots of radiating leg pain. I have spent days researching and find that ADR is the best solution for me but cannot get taken seriously here. I am looking into going to Bogen Germany to see Dr.Bertagnoli for multiple level ADR. Like anyone I am nervous about going there and wondering if anyone has gone there or somewhere similar to get this done?

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on 03/03/2012 9:25pm

Approx 8 months ago, I had undergone a very successful Transforaminal Lumber Interbody Fusion (TLIF) operation at L5/SI level here in Melbourne, Australia. 3 years ago, I was diagnosed with Isthmic Spondylolisthesis Grade 1 at the L5/S1 vertebral level. I experienced daily mechanical pain for which I am sure that you can also attest too. I was told by a chiropractor that it was more than likely that my spondylolisthesis would not deteriorate any further and that conservative treatment ( I.e. physiotherapy, chiropractory, and topical formulas) would suffice.

However, 8 months after being diagnosed, my pain levels had substantially increased and I was having intermittent flair up's which involved multiple disc bulges (this is the domino affect from a destabilized spine - spondylolisthesis was the stressor). Despite continued efforts to mitigate my evolving daily pain, conservative treatment was not helping and I was then starting to experience neurologic issues which involved intense sharp stabbing and burning neuropathic pain down my right leg (sciatic nerve irritation).

After persistent pain and obvious neural problems which were associated with the isthmic spondylolisthesis domino affect, I had undertaken extensive research for a prospective neurosurgeon before my first consultation in February, 2011. Upon my consultation with my neurosurgeon, he arranged an MRI for me and the results confirmed significant further deterioration involving Neuroforaminal stenosis (nerve impingement from narrowed foramina nerve canal) at L5/S1 level; disc bulge with annular tear and facet joint degeneration at L3/L4; and disc degeneration, broad based disc herniation, and facet joint degeneration at L4/L5 level. Upon seeing the evidence, my neurosurgeon arranged for me to have a Minimally Invasive Transforaminal Lumber Interbody Fusion (TLIF) with hardware at L5/S1 level.

Furthermore, I had my surgery on the 11th July 2011; and I am now at 8 months post surgery. I must say that, I am feeling absolutely wonderful and my pain levels are 95% better than they were before surgery! Without surgery intervention, the reality is that I would have continued having long term crippling pain not to mention more serious neurologic deficits (I.e. loss of muscle function; incontinence; decreased leg sensations; leg weakness; abnormal reflexes; paralysis; and further deterioration of my lumber spine area) Therefore, not being able to work and maintain any quality of life.

If coupled with a suitably experienced/qualified spinal surgeon, the TLIF procedure has a low incidence of complications and in fact, many clinical studies and surveys indicate that the majority of TLIF patient's report substantial pain reduction as well a successful fusion rate (i.e. 90%>).

As with any surgery, you need to weigh up the risks verses the benefits (in my case, the benefits clearly outweighed the risks). When considering spinal surgery, you also need to make sure that you select a suitably qualified and experienced orthopedic or neurosurgeon who has demonstrated expertise in successfully performing spinal surgery procedures as such careful selection will heavily influence the surgery outcome. Yes, there can be potential issues that may arise from surgery implications, though, having an experienced and well recognized surgeon can mitigate such risks.

PS: There are certainly many positive outcomes to having surgery!...undertake thorough research about your spinal issues and be very selective about which professionals you engage.

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on 05/22/2012 1:48pm

I had my disk replacement at Beta Klinik and a year later I still feel pain in my lower back! Major major expensive surgery with super pain! Now, I am not sure what to recommend!!!

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on 12/15/2012 11:31pm

I recently found gme-surgical.com, ADR can be done in Dubai for 25k US all inclusive (hotel included) with Dr. Carl Lauryssen (US doctor approved for FDA M6 study) and the M6 Spinal Kinetic implant.

This sounds better then STENUM for a Canadian as the follow ups are from Beverly Hills Dr office.

Can anyone beat this ?

Eric, Canada

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